STR OR LUK BANDIT????

[HiDeOut]

STR BANDIT
LUK BANDIT
???

[Ikachan]

LOOOOOOUUUUUUUUDDD NOIIIIISSESSS!

[eefie]

o.0


STR for speed, which becomes evened out later.
LUK for strength, doesnt get evened out later.


choose.

[LoveCherry]

luk definitely, str is weak and only for unfunded bandits

[Gaia]

i chose luk even tho the first char i made was a str bandit and i didnt realize i made a str bandit till lvl 37 kinda sad ya but i learned
i did very little damage because of the extra str then if i would have had full luk bandit my opinion wats urs

[HiDeOut]

sad i realised i was a str bandit a few daes ago must try to get over to luk...wasted 20 points on str...neone got any tips on how to convert back to luk?du i jus put all my points on luk n dex now?

[neonut99]

How can a str bandit be ANY good at ALL??

[Limited]

apparently not a lot of experienced ppl here =/

luk bandits, stronger yes, but an example of max sb/mastery would be 400,450,500,550,600,650

while an example of sb from a str dit would be 425,550,575,600,625,650

low lvl str dits are indeed VERY weak compared to luk, i switched from luk to str at lvl 45, and im not regretting it

once u hit high levels the dmg equals out, the ONLY reason that ppl thin luk bandits do higher dmg is cuz their sb mite carry...oh lets say max of 3hits of high dmg? and the rest are low thats because luk has no stability while str has a very small range in dmg, thats because their dmg is a lot more stabilized, but in the end it evens out, add up the dmg urself, cuz thats really how it is =/ str dits are also faster and cheaper and weapons have higher atk, and also look better =) at lvl 35 i had a kfan 64atk, luk+6 wep def1, 50 ill be using a sai atk80, luk+8, and forgot the wep def -.- so with the scrolled weapons the total dmg by my sb can equal/top a luk bandits sb, even if his/her weapon is scrolled

[Nekorion]

apparently not a lot of experienced ppl here =/

luk bandits, stronger yes, but an example of max sb/mastery would be 400,450,500,550,600,650

while an example of sb from a str dit would be 425,550,575,600,625,650

low lvl str dits are indeed VERY weak compared to luk, i switched from luk to str at lvl 45, and im not regretting it

once u hit high levels the dmg equals out, the ONLY reason that ppl thin luk bandits do higher dmg is cuz their sb mite carry...oh lets say max of 3hits of high dmg? and the rest are low thats because luk has no stability while str has a very small range in dmg, thats because their dmg is a lot more stabilized, but in the end it evens out, add up the dmg urself, cuz thats really how it is =/ str dits are also faster and cheaper and weapons have higher atk, and also look better =) at lvl 35 i had a kfan 64atk, luk+6 wep def1, 50 ill be using a sai atk80, luk+8, and forgot the wep def -.- so with the scrolled weapons the total dmg by my sb can equal/top a luk bandits sb, even if his/her weapon is scrolled
GTFO

Luck bandit stats = 4/110/4/257
Strength bandit stats = 55/110/4/206

Luck bandit
Minimum Damage: 472
Maximum Damage: 800
Average damage = (636 times .8) times 6 = 3052 per savage blow

Strength bandit
Minimum Damage: 452
Maximum Damage: 725
Average damage = (588.5 times .8) times 6 = 2824 per savage blow

228 damage difference isn't equaling out last I heard.

The only advantage a strength bandit ever carried was in his wallet.

[Aerials]

Another str or luk topic.........

[aleckykay]

>>
in conclusion, str bandits are for the strong and patient at heart.
these topics regarding str and luk bandits are annoying sometimes.

[4got2post]

LUK will do more min and max damage than STR at a higher level. But STR daggers are cheaper, and sexier, imo.

[Ikachan]

What happened to the big Luk VS Str debate we had like a month ago? I can't find it anymore. =/ We should sticky that one.

[Infection]

Both are good, but STR Bandits are more often put down.

[Isa]

And everyone always forgets that the level 50, 60, 70, daggers have 3 more attack, and the level 90 dagger has 2 more attack. And I've heard that the speed of str daggers is still slightly faster.

Just to see if anyone would really care, I'm working on a mathematical comparison of STR vs. LUK (vs.dexless for those who care). Would anyone care to see this?

BTW, I'm a STR 'dit

[Ikachan]

The mathematical comparisons have already been done, countless times. In a quick summary, eventually that extra attack Str Daggers have will be outdamaged by the high Luk advantage Luk Bandits have. And this difference will only continue to get higher as both Bandits level.

Here's a nice chart you can look at.

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/35/untitled2bj.gif
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/35/untitled2bj.gif

[Limited]

apparently not a lot of experienced ppl here =/

luk bandits, stronger yes, but an example of max sb/mastery would be 400,450,500,550,600,650

while an example of sb from a str dit would be 425,550,575,600,625,650

low lvl str dits are indeed VERY weak compared to luk, i switched from luk to str at lvl 45, and im not regretting it

once u hit high levels the dmg equals out, the ONLY reason that ppl thin luk bandits do higher dmg is cuz their sb mite carry...oh lets say max of 3hits of high dmg? and the rest are low thats because luk has no stability while str has a very small range in dmg, thats because their dmg is a lot more stabilized, but in the end it evens out, add up the dmg urself, cuz thats really how it is =/ str dits are also faster and cheaper and weapons have higher atk, and also look better =) at lvl 35 i had a kfan 64atk, luk+6 wep def1, 50 ill be using a sai atk80, luk+8, and forgot the wep def -.- so with the scrolled weapons the total dmg by my sb can equal/top a luk bandits sb, even if his/her weapon is scrolled
GTFO

Luck bandit stats = 4/110/4/257
Strength bandit stats = 55/110/4/206

Luck bandit
Minimum Damage: 472
Maximum Damage: 800
Average damage = (636 times .8) times 6 = 3052 per savage blow

Strength bandit
Minimum Damage: 452
Maximum Damage: 725
Average damage = (588.5 times .8) times 6 = 2824 per savage blow

228 damage difference isn't equaling out last I heard.

The only advantage a strength bandit ever carried was in his wallet.

hmm nice stats ther, the only thing wrong is that LUK BANDITS DONT HIT THE AVERAGE EVERYTIME, they hit several high dmgs then the rest are low...learn to do math u nub, and dont tell me to gtfo, get a life

[Ikachan]

LUK BANDITS DONT HIT THE AVERAGE EVERYTIME, they hit several high dmgs then the rest are low...learn to do math u nub

Bandits, regardless of stat build, don't hit the average everytime. They both hit several high damages and low ones as well. I really don't see your point here.

[lolpunk]

It's a fact - luk dits are stronger than str dits...at high lvls. A similar topic came out in the official maplesea forum (more experienced players) and some guy used calculus to prove this fact. Emphasis: fact.
But...str dits are cheaper, have cooler daggers, easier to train before 3rd job, more stable dmg
Bottom line: Luk and Str dits are equal with no clear winner..if not what's the point of maple making str dits(dagger) in the 1st place?

hmm nice stats ther, the only thing wrong is that LUK BANDITS DONT HIT THE AVERAGE EVERYTIME, they hit several high dmgs then the rest are low...learn to do math u nub, and dont tell me to gtfo, get a life
pls...no need to call others nub, they're just overzealous in expressing their thoughts, and u're only lvl47...
Btw, i hav a lvl51 luk bandit..and i feel nub. :cry:

[HiDeOut]

str dits haf flashy weapons

[cpaw88]

I'm a 4x Str Dit, and yes Luck is better then Str there is no doubt about that, however a Str Dit is easier to train to Class 3 then a Luk. Once I hit class 3 i'll be buying -ap points to make myself into a full luck bandit.

[Neothisis]

Uhh...LUK Bandits are better than STR Bandits, and LUK Bandit's weapons are cooler, in what way are STR Bandit's cooler...? LUK Bandits, according to the calculations you all have made, have more MIN, MAX, and average ATT than STR Bandits, and Double Stab and Meso Explosion's description in the database, say that their power is also measured by LUK. So, the more LUK, the more powerful Meso Explosion is.

[okliyong2]

When you reach to lvl 120 and the 4th is out the luck bandit will be the best the reason luck bandit weapon's attack is better then str bandit weapon's att so it will hit more damage then str bandit

[ArnZein]

I wish that one really old topic was around here from a LONG time ago, it was like a year or more ago. Anyways it compared the damages of STR and LUK from like 30 to 100, and I'm pretty sure LUK won out in the end.

[Isa]

When you reach to lvl 120 and the 4th is out the luck bandit will be the best the reason luck bandit weapon's attack is better then str bandit weapon's att so it will hit more damage then str bandit

Do you think you can speak any less clearly? I think I understood too much of that </sarcasm> Wow, reviving a thread that's been quiet for 6 months.

As a counter to what I *think* you were saying, in the higher levels, e.g. 4th job, you can get a stronger str-dagger for the same price as a luk-dagger, but the CB will have lower luk. If the extra attack is worth more than the lost luk, the strdit is stronger. Otherwise, the lukdit is stronger.

Since we're talking about maybe a 2% increase in atk (3 atk increase out of 120 atk +/-), unless the strdit has 98% the luk of the same lukdit, the strdit is weaker. *shrug* Whatever, I love my strdit all the same.

[TheDon]

heres an idea: stop arguing over which is better and just get some good damn gear.

but If you really want my 2cents, I have never been out-damaged by a similar lvl str dit with better equips.

[Neothisis]

Do you think you can speak any less clearly? I think I understood too much of that </sarcasm> Wow, reviving a thread that's been quiet for 6 months.

6 months? It's been nearly a year. But seriously, why do you people have to go & bring this back? No one else post here, just shut up & go live your lives.

[Targaryen]

DOOD, I LIEK LUV THESE THRAEDS!!11one

yes, i do. now, i have to argue for the str bandit side. Strength bandits pwn luck bandits cause of the amount of money that you would save. now, lets say that you have a level 50 bandit in bellocan (me, lol). You're scrolling your sai, a mere 1mil for a 68 attack one and since your so *****rdly, you scroll this above average sai with 7 100%s, a nice 75 attack; this evens out to roughly 1.5mil. Now, lets say that your a luck bandit, and your scrolling your shinkita, 62 attack or 65 attack, respectivly 2.2mil or 3.5mil. you look at your meager meso sack and notice that you can only spare 4mil for your armor (admit it people, unfunded bandits ONLY ever get 5mil to throw around, get me a screeny of a legit bandit with over 30mil, only gms qualifies :3). well, you can choose to get a 69 attack shink (2.7mil) an attack of 300-500, or a 72 attack shink (4mil) 312-521. you can still spend over 10mil altogether on some godly shink that we would droll over but thats only a like 50 more attack. Now, a sai, with 301-475 damage, while spending only 1.7mil seems attractive compared to spending 2.3mil more for a like, what? 40 attack maximum attack, pffffft. luk daggers are almost as overrated as attack gloves!

another arguement you can take into consideration is that most bandits dont make it past level 40 (luck and strength daggers are really closly matched at levels 30-50, consulted that chart that was so kindly provided in the last page) and fewer yet reach to level 50. now, would you rather hit 240 times in a minute (1.5secs * 6 hits = 240 hits a minute)or or only 180 hits a minute? (2seconds * 6 hits = 180 hits a minute)

uh... it might be argued since we are spending so much money on bandits we might as well make it the best it can be, godly claws, att wg, warrior pots, the works. to that i have to say, "LALALALAAAA I CANT HEAR YOU". yet i appluad your logic and your perisitence (my spelling is t3h secks) at trying to make me see logic.

summed up. would you rather spend Five Million on just 40 more attack? or would you rather spend 1.7mil but still be able to hit 60 times more in a minute with booster? after all, the bandit is about speed, not power. uh... not true for 40+, read this and forget this sentence exists.

dam enter. finishing~~


o.0 you jacked my o.0 which i plagarized off someone else :S


STR for speed, which becomes evened out later.
LUK for strength, doesnt get evened out later.


choose.

dont listen to him, he makes sense.


o.0

the only advantage that str daggers ever had was in their wallets....

btw, targaryen pwns you

choose.

listen to him cause he worships me!!

[darksidehero]

hmm nice stats ther, the only thing wrong is that LUK BANDITS DONT HIT THE AVERAGE EVERYTIME, they hit several high dmgs then the rest are low...learn to do math u nub, and dont tell me to gtfo, get a life

GTFO
AND if your calling him a noob, look in the mirror, noob

ok rant over.

fact is
luk bandits have higher max att and, according to your calculations, min damage.
luk bandits will eventually win out
it is not true that str bandits are faster, only from 1~30, i think. (correct me on that one)

it is true that str bandits will save more money, BUT you'll end up wasting money on pots just like luks, in the end all bandits blow money on pots.
str bandits have a 1-5mil adv, thats about it.

[ArnZein]

hmm nice stats ther, the only thing wrong is that LUK BANDITS DONT HIT THE AVERAGE EVERYTIME, they hit several high dmgs then the rest are low...learn to do math u nub, and dont tell me to gtfo, get a life


It is called average for a reason, it is the amout of damage that someone will hit usually. Of course you don't hit the average everytime, noone does. He was really just showing that Luk Bandits have a higher min and max damage, and because of that they also have a higher average thus dealing more damage than Str Bandits.

BTW - He knows how to do his math, hitting serveral high then rest low isn't really math that is just stating something that usually happens when you attack with SB.

[Kenji2]

I'm not quite sure why people plan to make a str bandit, sure it's a bit unique, but that's about it. By quick-reading this thread I saw some comment about str bandits saving money, and that was about 5mil. But that should be around lvl 50 only, since I asume we all have planned to get Meso explotion later on which mean both types of bandits will blow their money away.

The only advantage I see with a str bandit is the leveling speed in the beginning at maple island. Also the cursayer, which is close to the sexiest weapon in maple :)

[Neothisis]

(admit it people, bandits ONLY ever get 5mil to throw around, get me a screeny of a legit bandit with over 30mil, only gms qualifies :3).

Sorry, I don't have a SS, but I had 51mil once, due to a Black Sack I found in GPQ Bonus & sold it for 40mil. =) & you can ask anyone, I'm 100% legit.

[Targaryen]

I'm not quite sure why people plan to make a str bandit, sure it's a bit unique, but that's about it. By quick-reading this thread I saw some comment about str bandits saving money, and that was about 5mil. But that should be around lvl 50 only, since I asume we all have planned to get Meso explotion later on which mean both types of bandits will blow their money away.

The only advantage I see with a str bandit is the leveling speed in the beginning at maple island. Also the cursayer, which is close to the sexiest weapon in maple :)

yes, str bandits are unique. the meso explosion part is untrue; you dont drop 50k a bag just to kill somthing that you can kill with 5 1k bags ._. anyways, most bandits use Band of Theives (Z0MG H4XXORZ) to level up. well, unless your a meso explosion bandit where its best to go luck dagger.


Sorry, I don't have a SS, but I had 51mil once, due to a Black Sack I found in GPQ Bonus & sold it for 40mil. =) & you can ask anyone, I'm 100% legit.

well, if you're normal LIKE ME you should only have like 13mil LIKE ME and spend it all on mapleweapons cause you're not going to play until you fail at trying to not play ms for the rest of your life. LIKE ME. and then you could cash out :3. LIKE ME. i envy you youre 51mil D;

[Isa]

um, the savings are WAY more than 1-5 mil. I reached level 80, bought a 100 atk strdagger for 30M. Isn't a 100 atk DT worth 70M-100M? So the savings is more than just a little :P Use that 40-70M difference to increase your glove atk by 3-4 more atk.

Oh, let's not forget the 5 str 8 luk goblin cape, good luck getting a 13 point cape with luk/dex. Unless you're rich enough to get a 2+ atk cape, you're *probably* not going to beat that. Ooh, and blue bandana/Maple hat 4, that's 9 usable stat points vs 6-7. Let's not even talk about Zakum helm, with a godly 45 usable stat points vs 30.

Let's not forget, I can get a 2 str nimble wristguard for 10-15M, how much will it cost you to get a 2 dex/2 luk shield?

Yes, a strdit's luk WILL be lower. And *most* of the time, the lower luk will lose more power than the extra atk gains.

And I also know no matter how many good points are made, people will continue to be convinced that a Strdit can never match. And in my mind, that's a good thing. Keeps demand on str-daggers low, which keeps prices low.

I think it'll be hilarous when they release the fan (not k-fan) and top str, seeing people trying to do dexless low-str :P

[Targaryen]

further fuel, to fire the flames of this debate. FLAME ON!! o.0

i was talking about level 50 anyways :3

[Kenji2]

Originally Posted by Targaryen
(admit it people, bandits ONLY ever get 5mil to throw around, get me a screeny of a legit bandit with over 30mil, only gms qualifies :3).
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b53/KenjiDesu/Maple0161.jpg
and it's a lukbandit (I was saving for a zakum helm but people would consider me as a hacker if I'd bought it so I got a good Geta instead :))

[Targaryen]

ouch. i assume you're funded? if you're not, TEACH ME YOUR SECRETS. o.0

[Neothisis]

further fuel, to fire the flames of this debate. FLAME ON!! o.0

i was talking about level 50 anyways :3

Um, no, please don't. >_>

[Palmisano]

The only difference with STR dits is that you get different daggers... it's nothing special really...;)

[savage-blower123]

Each has their positives and negatives. choose wisely.

[IslanderMK]

apparently not a lot of experienced ppl here =/

luk bandits, stronger yes, but an example of max sb/mastery would be 400,450,500,550,600,650

while an example of sb from a str dit would be 425,550,575,600,625,650

low lvl str dits are indeed VERY weak compared to luk, i switched from luk to str at lvl 45, and im not regretting it

once u hit high levels the dmg equals out, the ONLY reason that ppl thin luk bandits do higher dmg is cuz their sb mite carry...oh lets say max of 3hits of high dmg? and the rest are low thats because luk has no stability while str has a very small range in dmg, thats because their dmg is a lot more stabilized, but in the end it evens out, add up the dmg urself, cuz thats really how it is =/ str dits are also faster and cheaper and weapons have higher atk, and also look better =) at lvl 35 i had a kfan 64atk, luk+6 wep def1, 50 ill be using a sai atk80, luk+8, and forgot the wep def -.- so with the scrolled weapons the total dmg by my sb can equal/top a luk bandits sb, even if his/her weapon is scrolled


EXACTLY!
I alsow admit.
LUK has higher MAX dmg but lower MIN dmg.
STR has lower MAX dmg but higher MIN dmg.
Str increases ur min dmg a lot. A tiny bit into MAX as well.
U think similar but:
STR gets extra daggers at early lvl (better training.
PLUS extra dmg later.
STR ALL THE WAY FTW
(Easier to roll XD)