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Thread: Complete guide on Sin vs. Dits(read guide b4 voting)

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    Default Complete guide on Sin vs. Dits(read guide b4 voting)

    A lot of people out there are argueing over the "Bandit
    vs assasin" topics. Therefore, ive decided to write a
    guide to close this endless argument.
    For the sake of arguement, lets start with lvl 50, after
    Bandits have maxed their sb/ mastery and sin maxed their
    crit/ other skills.
    I will compare the damage here. I won't be includiing
    scrolling/ glove attacks, but only the weapon.

    Bandit lvl 50:

    Weapon Attack: Shinkita 62
    Dex: 90
    Luk:172
    Skill: Savage Blow(6*80%)

    Minimum damage for the Bandit:
    = (LUK * 0.9 * 2.16 + STR + DEX) / 100 * Weapon Attack
    = (172 * 0.9 * 2.16 + 4 + 90) / 100 * 62
    = 265

    Max damage for Bandit:
    = [(LUK * 3.6 + STR + DEX) / 100]* Weapon Attack
    = [(172 * 3.6 + 4 + 90) / 100] * 62
    = 442

    Avg damage for Bandit:
    = (266 + 442) / 2
    = 354

    Avg damage with skill (SBlow) for Bandit:
    = 4.8 * 354
    = 1699


    Assasin lvl 50:

    Weapon Attack: Slain 26 + Tobi Star 23
    Dex: 90
    Luk:172
    Skill: Lucky Seven(2 * 150%)+ critical( 50% chance,

    +100% damage)

    Max damage for the sin:
    = (LUK * 5)/100 *WA
    =(172 * 5)/100 * 49
    = 421

    Min damage for sin:
    = (LUK * 2.5)/100 * WA
    = (172 * 2.5)/100 * 49
    = 210

    Avg damage for Sin:
    = (421 + 210) / 2
    = 315.5

    Avg damage with skill (L7+critical) for Sin:
    = (1577.5(Max damage with skill) +946.5(min with

    skill)/2
    =1271

    You can see here, Bandit = 1699
    SIn = 1271

    However, you should have noticed that Sin's L7 damage
    formula is Luk * 5, while bandit's is Luk *3.6.
    THerefore, sins damage will increase more than dit's
    every level, when both add LUK. Also, another factor
    hindering sin from doing insane damage is its low Weapon
    attack. Therefore, its the same thing. Weapon attack can
    increase sin's damage more than dit's. If we consider
    the scrolling, warrior potions, glove attacks, sin's
    damage will also catch up with more weapon attack. Now,
    lets look at lvl 60.

    (Note: this time, i will consider the warrior pots,

    glove attacks,scrolling, and the LUK equipments add.

    Bandit lvl 60:

    Level 60 Bandit:
    Weapon: Deadly Fin 82 + Warr pot 5 + 6 WA glove
    Dex: 100
    Luk: 212+ 18
    Attack Skill: Savage Blow (6 * 80%)

    Minimum damage for the Bandit:
    = (LUK * 0.9 * 3.6 * Skill Mastery + STR + DEX) / 100 *

    Weapon Attack
    = (230 * 0.9 * 3.6 * 0.6 + 4 + 100) / 100 * 93
    = 511

    Max damage for Bandit:
    = [(LUK * 3.6 + STR + DEX) / 100]* Weapon Attack
    = [(230 * 3.6 + 4 + 100) / 100] * 93
    = 865

    Avg damage for Bandit:
    = (511+865) / 2
    = 688

    Avg damage with skill (SBlow) for Bandit:
    = 4.8 * 688
    = 3285


    Sin lvl 60:

    Weapon: Giga 41 + steely 25 +warr pot 5+ glove atk 6
    Dex: 100
    Luk: 230
    Attack Skill: L7+ critical

    Max damage for the sin:
    = (LUK * 5)/100 *WA
    =(230 * 5)/100 * 77
    = 886

    Min damage for sin:
    = (LUK * 2.5)/100 * WA
    = (230 * 2.5)/100 * 77
    = 444

    Avg damage for Sin:
    = (444+886) / 2
    = 665

    Avg damage with skill (L7+critical) for Sin:
    = 4 * 665
    = 2660

    Here, we can see that, with the adding of the
    equipments, sin has caught up with the dits. Lets move
    on to lvl 70. However, another point is that dits have 6
    hits, while sin only has 2. MEaning: Dit you haf to
    multiply monster weapon def by 6, while sin has to
    multiply by 2. Therefore, when fighting a umti with 300
    def, for dits its 1800 def while sin's is 600. OK, lets
    see. Sin's damage 2660 - 600= 2060. Dits damage 3285 -
    1800 = 1485. (note: this is just a example, nobody knows
    how the damage is calculated. this amount ISNT TRUE!
    however, this can show that dit's damage will be
    decreased while fighting the monsters with higher def.)

    Lvl 70 dit:
    Weapon: Kandine 87 + Warr pot 5 + 8 WA glove
    Dex: 110
    Luk: 252+ 21
    Attack Skill: Savage Blow (6 * 80%)

    Minimum damage for the Bandit:
    = (LUK * 0.9 * 3.6 * Skill Mastery + STR + DEX) / 100 *

    Weapon Attack
    = (273 * 0.9 * 3.6 * 0.6 + 4 + 110) / 100 * 100
    = 644

    Max damage for Bandit:
    = [(LUK * 3.6 + STR + DEX) / 100]* Weapon Attack
    = [(273 * 3.6 + 4 + 110) / 100] * 100
    = 1096

    Avg damage for Bandit:
    = (644+1096) / 2
    = 880

    Avg damage with skill (SBlow) for Bandit:
    = 6 * (0.8 * 880)
    = 6 * (704)
    = 4224

    Sin lvl 60:
    Weapon: Fury 45 + steely 25 +warr pot 5+ glove atk 8
    Dex: 110
    Luk: 273
    Attack Skill: L7+ critical

    Max damage for the sin:
    = (LUK * 5)/100 *WA
    =(273 * 5)/100 * 83
    = 1133

    Min damage for sin:
    = (LUK * 2.5)/100 * WA
    = (273 * 2.5)/100 * 83
    = 567

    Avg damage for Sin:
    = (567+1133) / 2
    = 850

    Avg damage with skill (L7+critical) for Sin:
    = (850 *4)
    = 3400

    Therfore, our conclusion is: Sin max damage> Dit max

    damage,
    Sin average dmg<dit average damage.


    Now lets move on to the other sections determining the

    strength of the 2 jobs.

    Speed/jump: Sin= Dit

    Attack speed: Sin= Dit. Both have booster, and altough it is RuMoUrEd that dit's attacking speed is faster, i believe both are the same. If there was a dummy monster with unlimited life, and a same lvl dit and sin hits it for a same period of time, sins can do NINETY L7s in a minute, while dits can also do 90.... Its the same.

    Range: Sin>Dit


    Money earning: Sin has the skill drain, saving your hp
    pots. Sin's L7 consumes 16 MP, Dit's SB consumes 27MP.
    Lets say, sin uses 50 L7 per min and dit use 50 sb a
    min. 27-16 = 11 mp difference. 50 * 11= 550 mp
    Therefore, dit wastes 550 more mp than sin every minute,
    33000 mp per hour which is equals to 66000 mesos. Also,
    dits get hit more easily than sin becos they need to hit
    at a close range where the monster can also hit you. Per
    hour, dits lose 66000 more mesos than sins, not
    including the fact that sins have drain. Drain will
    probably save around 200k an hour. Total: Dits= 266000
    mesos less than sin per hour. However, i belive that sins have to spend quite
    some money on stars. Lets say, 10M on steelies and 11M gigantic= 21M. Dit
    lvl 60 spends some money on weapons( i not sure price shuld be less than
    15M). So, in terms of spending sin is more.. but itll be eraned back after a
    few lvls, and profited in another few lvls. therefore i should say that sin = dit
    in this aspect.


    Killing speed: Bandits has to waste time
    walking to the monster while sin can shoot from one
    spot. However, if there is many monsters surrounding you, the dit can sb their way through. As for a sin, he will have to jump-shoot to hit the monsters and not punch them. However, if there are monsters not close enough for you to sb/punch, sin will kill faster as he could just hold on to the button to throw stars and hit many monsters infront of him. Also, lets say the monster is at a higher platform and even with haste, you cant jump high enough to reach it, sin can just throw a star and BOOM! whereas dits willl not be able to reach it. I am not sure about this aspect, but there are more example of sin killing faster than dits.


    Leveling: Sin is faster than dits, proven by the many more high lvl sins than
    dits. Therefore, lets say in a period of six months, a sin reaches lvl 80 while a
    dit reaches lvl 70. Now, the sin is higher lvl than the dit by 10 lvls, with new
    eqps etc. Sin definitely achieve more damage than dits in a shorter period of
    time.

    Control: Sin's stars can auto-target monsters. meaning if a monster is on a higher platform, u can jump-shoot ,and the star will auto target to the monster and not shoot straight. Bandits however, does not have auto-target and always hits straight infront of him. (personally, i think moving for evry sb will make u giddy lol)

    Skill: Actually, this isn't much of an advantage, but it makes the game more
    thrilling and fun. SIn need more skill to play than dit.. If you dont
    understand this, it means that Sins needs skill to use.
    Example: Backshot, shoot
    everywhere when surrounded, lure monsters to a certain
    place then kill them all etc. This also means
    style,trick, and quickness in reaction. Whereas dits
    have a plainer life, just need to move the a monster and
    press a button+ jump. It's only skill is jump attack i think.


    Ok.... pls post your comments below and tell me how to improve on my guide. I'll be grateful for some information as well.



    This is written by Rayzie, [email protected]. If you

    wan to use this guide, you MUST give me credit for it.

    Please inform me if you see anyone using this guide

    without giving me credit. Thanks!

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    Default Re: Complete guide on Sin vs. Dits(read guide b4 voting)

    Bumpz

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    I really like your guide. I hope it gets stickied so more threads about this are never made. I also apluade your efforts to make it thank you.

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    wow........ :shock:
    wow......... :shock:
    .............. how long did this take u? cause its great^.^ just like frosted flakes lol (u cant blame me for unusual behavior, im still in junior high skool(aka middle skool) :P
    scania
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    4NBUK4K4SHI lvl2x ice/lightning mage to be
    4nbuknight lvl1x spearman to be

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    well.. thx for the compliments :D anyway i took ard 1-2 hrs to write this.
    hehe sin does good damage

    current: 40-lit mage retired
    6x sin active

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    well worth the effort i say now i know i need to become a billionaire and fast lol.

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    I want another choice: they're equal >.<
    Frankones, Unfunded Assassin level 46 - Kumbis User - Adamantium Avarice +7 User - Critical lover :D (I got lv50 equips)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pikachuyann
    I want another choice: they're equal >.<
    Hehe i can't modify the poll just vote one :D
    hehe sin does good damage

    current: 40-lit mage retired
    6x sin active

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    holy sh!t, you owned bandits :D
    i will never make a bandit.

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    oohz... anyway i dont think i owned bandits very much lol(altough i meant to in the beggining, i didnt manage to do it). cos after some calculations i found that bandits really have a higher average damage, so i just have to admit itz.. but ive shown sins are better in other aspects
    hehe sin does good damage

    current: 40-lit mage retired
    6x sin active

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