Grenade and Invisible Shot

[blub212212]

Which is better (Faster training and effectiveness in later gameplay)? Now that grenade has burn damage, it seems you can train like a F/P with the poison mist, except burn damage.

[Tesiqurasa]

DoTs are no longer calculated based on mob hp, but instead your damage range. The new accuracy formula will also make DoT training pretty useless (compared to what it was previously).

Invisible Shot is multiple times better.

[emailbox]

Invisible Shot.
Grenade is too hard to aim to use well.

Note the DoT stacks with Flamethrower's DoT though.

[Tagg]

This is what I've heard. If you're above level 70, maxing blank shot + grenade is better. If you're under, grenade isn't a viable training attack so you should max Invisible Shot + Blank Shot.

The reason that grenade is better than invisible shot at level 70+ is because invisible shot is replaced by Ice Spitter and Flamethrower when they mob 3+. Grenade can also be used for extra burn damage against Death Teddies (who are weak against fire) since Grenade burn stacks with flamethrower burn. Grenade also can help give you a point blank hit or slightly boost your dpm against bosses that have invincibility (low level example would be Gppq (Ghost Pirate Pq). You can charge grenade while the boss is in the air and then get an extra ~3k before going back to double shot.

[emailbox]

Grenade sucks, period.
The amount of time it takes to throw/charge/whateverthe****youhavetodo is waaaaaayy too long.
In the same time you can cast your FT+IS combo TWICE. (More if you're fully charging)

[Tagg]

Eh I find that grenade can be useful such as at specific bosses as stated above. Also, grenade helped me kill chronos when I was missing 70% of the time with invisible shot (yay burn damage). Another thing about grenade is you usually won't go full charge on them. Most of the time it's used point-blank when a monster/boss either is invincible, is rushing you, or you're passing by them while mobbing. Someone over in basilmarket was talking about the merits of grenade and said that he was able to use a grenade + flamethrower combination for burn kills in his early 100s/110s on Death Teddies.