double shot vs. arrow blow

[Dae314]

EEW I SEE HORRIBLE MATH >.< MUST FIX

max crit, max double shot, we'll say 1000-1000 is the att range to be consistant.

First lets apply double shot's 130% damage: 1300 dmg per shot

now for crit...
no crit: 36% (2600 dmg combined)
1 crit: 48% (3900 dmg combined)
2 crit: 16% (5200 dmg combined)

Expected: 3640 dmg

max crit, max arrow blow, we'll say 1000-1000 is the att range to be consistant.

First lets apply arrow blow's 260% damage: 2600 damage

now for crit...
no crit: 60% (2600 dmg)
1 crit: 40% (5200 dmg)

Expected: 3640 dmg

*note: expected means the average damage after using the hit described above many many times*

omfg it equals :O but I didn't factor in monster def b/c IDK how that works out. From what I can see just from the numbers, double shot gives the illusion of more damage because it is more stable. Arrow blow gives the same overall average damage but it is harder to see because it's damage is so unstable.

[Elitemage56]

Your calculations are wrong.
CRITICAL ADDS 100% DAMAGE. IT DOES NOT DOUBLE THE DAMAGE.

This is correct.

Spoiler!

Too bad it adds 100%, and doesn't double it.

Double shot average:
130% + 40%(Critical shot average)
+
130% + 40%

That's 340 percent average damage for double shot.

Arrow blow average:
260% + 40%(Critical shot average)
300% average damage.

Also, defence doesn't work that way. If it did, a level 45 bandit would do 6 hits of 80 to alishar(Considering there max damage is around 450 with a normal strike, making it 360 the highest with a single hit of savage blow. Factor in the fact that alishar's defence shaves off 250+ damage, and that would make the bandit do a max of 100).

In short, critical hit adds 100%, and doesn't double, So having 2 chances to hit a critical results in more damage.

[Dae314]

dude... do you even read your skill descriptions? It says 200% damage from maxed critical. Also known as double damage :O.

Lemme explain further: a % is actually a decimal multiplied by 100. So 30% is actually 0.30. When you say you do 30% extra damage you're actually saying you multiply your damage by 1.30. where as if you say a skill takes off 30% of the damage, you multiply the damage you take by 1 - 0.3 or 0.7. So when you get to critical, it does 200% damage. Since it does not say 200% extra damage it just says 200% damage that means the damage you do is multiplied by 200% divided by 100 or 2. Max crit for a bowman hits double damage.

[piwhgem]

Because all the skill descriptions in the game are correct right?
All previous experiments done on Arrow Blow vs Double shot were obviously done with fake results.

[Dae314]

rly hard to tell if you were sarcastic lol.

just in case that was sarcastic, if you wanna say that critical ADDS 100% damage that's the exact same thing as saying critical attacks do 200% damage. Say you wanted to add 100% to 500, well you start with 500 b/c you're adding to it, and 100% of 500 is 500 so you add 500 to 500 and get 1000. Now, say you wanted to do 200% of 500, well 100% of 500 is 500 so if you multiply 100% by 2 to get 200% then you can also multiply 500 by 2 to get 1000.

Now if you don't say that critical adds 100% damage and instead you say critical attacks do 100% damage, then you're saying that critical attacks are just like normal attacks. Which I doubt nexon is stupid enough to do.

As I said before, double shot looks like it's better because it hits more stable damage. AB does the same average damage, but it's damage is more unstable and so it is harder to see the effect.

[Elitemage56]

1)The skill description is wrong.
2) Nexon really are that stupid.
3)http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/614...stions.html#12
4) Adding 100% damage is not the same as doubling damage. Adding 100% to something that does 260% normally =360%. Doubling 260%=520%.

The maximum damage that DS can do is 230%+100%+100%=430%
The maximum damage that AB can do is 230%+100%=330%

[Dae314]

I see said the blind man to the deaf man.

So my calculations would've been correct but nexon calculated the critical damage differently to where it just adds 100% damage to the already existing damage boost? So, 130% damage will then be 230% damage instead of 260% because nexon is an idiot and labels their skills wrong xP.

Do you have proof that critical damage is calculated like this?

[San-Lzu]

Step 1) Get on an archer with maxed critical and double shot.
Step 2) Attack snails(They have no Defence, so no damage reduction).
Step 3) Take a look at your maximum damage in the stat screen.
Step 4) Kill snails(With double shot), and write down the highest amount of damage that one arrow from the double shot skill does(Do it like 25 times).
Step 5) Take that highest number, and divide it by 2.3.
If done correctly, that final number should be somewhat close to the highest number you saw on your stat screen.

[piwhgem]

Max critical shot
Level 20: 40% success rate, critical damage 200%

Level 1 dragons breath
Level 1: MP -24, attack 42%, attacks up to 4 enemies

One of these is wrong for me to hit 5K damage on a critical
Hint: it's critical shot

[San-Lzu]

One more thing, for some reason, the hunter skill "Arrow bomb" gets double damage from criticals(Although the first monster it hits gets 40%), So arrow bomb's max damage would be 260%.