The QE vs Genesis debate

[Saighan]

In hopes that this would be stickied, thereby removing the need for certain people to argue endlessly on these skills' utilities in the fourth job in threads not necessarily pertaining to it.

[ElderDragon]

My ideas in a short rant:

Genesis is viable for training at lvl 1 for a long time. Beyond lvl 1 it becomes much too taxing in terms of mesos. Sure it's really strong and you can 1hko 15 skelgons, but it'll cost you all of your mesos. QE on the other hand has a range sufficient for sniping, is VERY good for its cost (only 50 mp), and its charge time is negligible to all those who aren't uncoordinated and know how to use teleport. I realize skelgon's have a ranged attack, but you'll be sniping so that shouldn't be an issue.

In summation: QE for early 4th job training with lvl 1 genesis > maxing genesis ASAP and losing mesos continuously.

[whendoom]

Genesis > QE power wise
Genesis > QE range wise
Genesis > QE amount of monster hittable
QE > Genesis base mp cost


Debate whether or not QE is more effective than lvl 1 Genesis.

[ElderDragon]

Genesis > QE power wise
Genesis > QE range wise
Genesis > QE amount of monster hittable
QE > Genesis base mp cost


Debate whether or not QE is more effective than lvl 1 Genesis.

You just answered your own debate toptic. Genesis has a better range, hits more things, and has more power; the one thing lacking in genesis is an affordable cost. QE's magic base at lvl 30 is 450 and genesis' at lvl 1 is 430 - it's stronger, cheaper, and has a sufficient range to snipe. Eventually QE won't hold against the raw power of genesis and the mesos earned from training will balance out the cost. A better way to put it is QE > lvl 1 genesis at the start of 4th job.

[whendoom]

A better way to put it is QE > lvl 1 genesis at the start of 4th job.

That's where you'll run into the debate, so nope I didn't answer the debate. I just highlighted the argument.

[ElderDragon]

That's where you'll run into the debate, so nope I didn't answer the debate. I just highlighted the argument.

At the moment, it's me debating.............me. Godshoot tired himself out in the other post, so I doubt anyone will be posting here any time soon (present posters excluded).

[zigkid3]

this is like the new holy arrow debates, except for 4th job now xD. and i assure you just like HA debates, it will never go away.

[godshoot]

Genesis > QE power wise
Genesis > QE range wise
Genesis > QE amount of monster hittable
QE > Genesis base mp cost


Debate whether or not QE is more effective than lvl 1 Genesis.

Let me add something

Genesis > QE Less Bump Damage
lvl 1 Genesis > lvl 30 QE at skelegon.

[ElderDragon]

this is like the new holy arrow debates, except for 4th job now xD. and i assure you just like HA debates, it will never go away.

If I may steal a quote from the punisher, "Those who support genesis shall come to know me well, for I am ElderDragon !",

Let me add something

Genesis > QE Less Bump Damage
lvl 1 Genesis > lvl 30 QE at skelegon.

Those 2 things only apply to skelegons. There are plenty of other spots to train at where QE is more than enough to snipe. And QE is more than enough to snipe at skelegons.

[godshoot]

Those 2 things only apply to skelegons. There are plenty of other spots to train at where QE is more than enough to snipe. And QE is more than enough to snipe at skelegons.

Please name a few map that level 30 QE is stronger than level 1 genesis, also I just stated skelegon because that is where most 12x will be training.