Originally Posted by
~UnknownBandit~
Who else is awaiting the "Pyrofyr Reaction"?
Five bucks says one of his posts here will ban him sooner or later. :\
Really, sorry for being off topic which is agaisnt your rules, but he'll probably be upset with this thread. Besides, what exactly happened to the one in Empty House?
The one in Empty House eventually became a sort of general religious discussion thread, and so a week or so ago I proposed that I create this one to invite more people to the conversation and set up some ground rules.
Pyro actually supported the idea, and I commend him for his latest response. ;)
Originally Posted by
Telecast
In all seriousness, this thread needs to be locked. At the end of the day, it was just a rant, while the conversations in here are much more. -reports self in first post-
Originally Posted by
penguinzrock
I see hard proof as something you can touch/feel/smell/hear/see. That's kind of how science defines it, anyway. I'm shaky about this debate, since religion really has no ammunition once science presents its logic-based theory papers.
In science, there is no such thing as "hard proof". In fact, there is no such thing as a "proof" in science at all. That is reserved for logic and mathematics.
Science is fallibilistic. From Wikipedia:
...fallibilism does not imply the need to abandon our knowledge - we needn't have logically conclusive justifications for what we know. Rather, it is an admission that because
empirical knowledge can be revised by further observation, any of the things we take as knowledge might possibly turn out to be false.
Science is also objective, and therefore does not always take into account what we touch/taste/hear/smell/see. If 1 person out of 1,000 sees a clock on a wall, that person is most likely hallucinating. If 999 people out of 1,000 see a clock on a wall, that clock almost certainly exists.
In any case, I'm actually not very interested in science. I'm interested in the reasoning behind the epistemic assumptions of science and whether or not the methodology derived from those assumptions can give us any insight into the question of the existence of God.