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  • Grew up in a closeminded church, (now atheist)

    1 5.56%
  • Grew up in a closeminded church (still there, sadly)

    1 5.56%
  • Grew up in a closeminded church (became closeminded)

    1 5.56%
  • My church was kind (I'm still devout)

    4 22.22%
  • My church was kind (but empty, so I left)

    2 11.11%
  • No religious background

    6 33.33%
  • Parents were atheists, so I'm atheist

    3 16.67%
  • I have my own religious beliefs

    8 44.44%
  • Something in life happened, and it changed the way I believe

    6 33.33%
  • Something different I didn't mention

    4 22.22%
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    Quote Originally Posted by emailbox View Post
    what if i said bulma was my alt and i was trolling you all

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    But now I'm like screw that, I'm skipping to the part where Bella finally combines with Edward

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    Quote Originally Posted by emailbox View Post
    what if i said bulma was my ult and i was trolling you all

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailFTW View Post
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    Raised Catholic, still devout (Good catholic community)
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    After re-reading the Tao te Ching, as per penguin's advice I've concluded something. The Tao te Ching can be read either backwards or forwards by chapter. There are two hints of this: It says something about "correct words seem backwards" and it says that when learning knowledge you move from broad to specific, but when learning the Tao you move specific to broad. Since the book ends with discussions on various states and how they hoard resources, I can assume this works.

    (yes, it does say you shouldn't call yourself a Taoist, in the source material I've looked up about "becoming a Taoist priest." It says you learn stuff like calling spirits, then study under a master, and then you sorta deny that you're Taoist. Also, it's heavily implied that defining yourself as Taoist is a sort of self-delusion, since the Tao is simple yet unfathomable, so no even the Tao is not immune to the rule of definition, despite it being one of the few things that can define itself, since claiming to understand it enough for you to define it makes you full of crap. The Tao is the Tao, yes, but if I were to be naming the tao, it would not be the true Tao. First chapter of the text. Btw, I can't find the source material I saw this on, so screw it)

    I've read the Tao te Ching, the I Ching, and Chuang Tzu. Just as I've read several different translations of the Tao te Ching, to see if there's different takes on the subject. You see Tesi get upset if you criticize teachers/education system, well this is something I've spent a good portion of my time involved in. That said, after years of doing this, I still have stuff to learn.

    Definitions is only a small part of Taoism, one that I largely brush past when it doesn't suit me. Opposites is only a small part of Taoism, since it's really the whole that matters, not the yin or the yang, but the Yin and Yang. But what I'm talking about is not that even, it's under the texts on what Taoism considers an ideal state. Yes, what the average casual reader says "wtf is this?" and skims past.

    It talks about a small country that has all the basics, and people can hear the rooster crow in the next country but they never bother to leave. It also talks a great deal about various cultural "sins" under what is Not Tao, like beauty recognized as beauty (fashion models, anyone), too many weapons of war, etc. There's something way more important being said here, and you're ignoring it to pick apart my terminology (which you know sucks) to say something's wrong with my belief system.

    Lemme clarify. There is something wrong with my grasp of the text, as you say, but it's not definitions it's this.

    Chapter 24
    He who is seeing (things from) his own (viewpoint) is not clear (about things).
    He who (has his) own opinion does not understand.
    Until I can learn to stop quoting "personal experiences" my grasp of Taoism will be messed up.
    Last edited by bulmabriefs144; 29th November 2011 at 02:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulmabriefs144 View Post

    (yes, it does say you shouldn't call yourself a Taoist, in the source material I've looked up about "becoming a Taoist priest." It says you learn stuff like calling spirits, then study under a master, and then you sorta deny that you're Taoist. Also, it's heavily implied that defining yourself as Taoist is a sort of self-delusion, since the Tao is simple yet unfathomable, so no even the Tao is not immune to the rule of definition, despite it being one of the few things that can define itself, since claiming to understand it enough for you to define it makes you full of crap. The Tao is the Tao, yes, but if I were to be naming the tao, it would not be the true Tao. First chapter of the text. Btw, I can't find the source material I saw this on, so screw it)
    That doesn't make for a very convincing argument. If you've gone through and read multiple translations and various texts, how hard would it be to cite source material? You're just hurting your cause by trying to argue with that, especially since penguinz seemed upset by a general lack of understanding.


    I've read the Tao te Ching, the I Ching, and Chuang Tzu. Just as I've read several different translations of the Tao te Ching, to see if there's different takes on the subject. You see Tesi get upset if you criticize teachers/education system, well this is something I've spent a good portion of my time involved in. That said, after years of doing this, I still have stuff to learn.
    I'm kind of confused as to the purpose of this statement O.o
    I don't get upset if you criticize the system, I get upset if you blindly criticize it. Even if you were a world-renowned expert on the subject, I'd still want evidence to back up your arguments. This goes for any subject, by the way. No one gives a crap about your personal views when it comes to "objective" argument unless those views come from documented and cited material (it can even be your own material, just stop it with the "he said;she said" unverifiable crap)

    Definitions is only a small part of Taoism, one that I largely brush past when it doesn't suit me. Opposites is only a small part of Taoism, since it's really the whole that matters, not the yin or the yang, but the Yin and Yang. But what I'm talking about is not that even, it's under the texts on what Taoism considers an ideal state. Yes, what the average casual reader says "wtf is this?" and skims past.
    what

    It talks about a small country that has all the basics, and people can hear the rooster crow in the next country but they never bother to leave. It also talks a great deal about various cultural "sins" under what is Not Tao, like beauty recognized as beauty (fashion models, anyone), too many weapons of war, etc. There's something way more important being said here, and you're ignoring it to pick apart my terminology (which you know sucks) to say something's wrong with my belief system.
    Recognizing ignorance isn't an excuse for ignorance. It just turns ignorance into idiocy.



    Until I can learn to stop quoting solely "personal experiences" my grasp of Taoism everything will be messed up.
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    Well, yea, sometimes the translations are outright conflicting.

    (Currently using this, because it's online and handy. My first version was the non-Kindle translation by Stephen Mitchell, if you wanna look at them both, those are my sources. But they're quite different)

    What they all agree on, however, if an emphasis on humility and not boasting of one's knowledge.

    There's also an expression that the Tao is easy to learn, but impossible to master. Why? Because it's itself a paradox of humility, if you say you're a "master" of the Tao you're a lying ******* who doesn't know anything. If you say you suck at it, you're probably right and having said it yourself, you're unable to prove otherwise.

    It's okay to not know all about the Tao, because there is much to know (beyond the customary stuff learned there is Five Elements Taoism, which de-emphasizes water, in favor of a balance between all five, but that's like prehistoric and nobody studies that). But what's not okay is claiming to "know things."

    So, no, I suck and don't always remember details. I keep re-reading it anyway, so as to learn more. And that's why I like Taoism, there isn't quite the self-righteous edge, where if you get stuff wrong you're a "sinner." You just keep plugging away, since the Tao accepts both the Light and the Dark.

    Also, Tesi, which is a bigger idiot, one who knows they don't know? Or one who thinks they know? Because, we're all idiots to one extent or another.

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    Anyway, since I'm host of this thread (and because I don't like arguing in a losing debate), I'm changing the topic. Now, we talk about deep religious questions, like... is God male, female, or futanari?

    Bring up random questions, and let's try to answer them.
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    There's a difference between realizing you're ignorant and ignoring that realization.
    If you just come to that realization and do nothing about it, you turn ignorance into idiocy.


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