Warriors = DEXless?

[JeremiahLoh]

Are all Warriors DEXless now?

Idk... I was originally playing my Spearman, and well Its not likely I'll be able to get those godly super items anyway...

[FailFTW]

Yes. STR only. No ifs, ands, or buts. And butts.

[Tesiqurasa]

Anyone with the money to afford full sets of dex-required gear will be able to equip it with <23 base anyway (dexless)

[bulmabriefs144]

Spoiler!

I'm sorry, but it's just not so. Just today, I made two versions of the same character, one Dexless (well, I raised to 10 dex) and one just saying "bleh, whatever, autostat." Yes, yes, I know Dexless probably shows a higher range number. But this isn't taking into account certain things like random damage (and crits). Both chars made it to 40, and practice swung on poison mushrooms.

Char 1 (Dexless): maxed out weapon mastery and started on final attack; maxed power strike and iron body.
At level 40, with the newly bought Cutlass, damage was consistent but rather low (150-175 Power Strike, 70-90 Slash Blast)

Char 2 (Whatever): maxed weapon mastery and strength training; maxed power strike and slash blast.
At level 31 before maxing weapon mastery, my attack was all over the place (75-320 from what I saw. Seriously.)
After maxing Weapon Mastery at level 40, damage actually went down (it seemed to bring damage more towards an average, making it about the same for power strike as Char 1, but of course my Slash Blash had higher damage), but this was BEFORE remembering to add 10 levels worth of stats (brought damage up to the 200s), and this is still before grabbing the Cutlass from storage (using a a level 10 wooden sword).

They're both pages.
I dunno if there's a level this stops being the case, but in early levels, this is definitely off. Which might have something to do with my having general trouble with warriors, they're more confusing than just using a mage.

Tesi doesn't trust what I saw with my own eyes, so he decided to spoiler it.

[Tesiqurasa]

What are you even talking about, Bulma.

Dex has no effect on crits. Str and Dex both affect range, but Str has a greater effect on both the min and max range. The only way to upgrade your min range beyond a set % is through mastery skills.
Your damage after maxing mastery didn't go down unless you started attacking enemies with higher PDR (defense). You didn't even max the same skills; why are you comparing the classes?

That was seriously the dumbest and most incorrect Maple post I've read in a long time.

[bulmabriefs144]

What are you even talking about, Bulma.

I don't what I'm talking about.

But I know what I saw. At level 50, damage jumped from 200 to 500+. At level 40, with the other one, I went to level 40, had everything up to the Strength Training skill, and was doing a lousy 150 damage to freaking goombas. All your explanations can't change the fact that I was doing things essentially "right" and I was struggling to kill things ten levels ago. On the skill that was the same (Power Strike), the difference at the same level was exactly as described. I did not change enemies to make the damage go down, I was training against those same mushrooms. Damage went down (but range got more steady), and went up massively over the course of 10 levels. Explain what I saw, Tesi.

Either the server I played on is just that broken (possible) or there's something we're not considering.

[Tesiqurasa]

I don't even understand what you're trying to say. You're jumping all over the place in your example.

From what I could decipher:
On your "whatever" character, you said you had max Physical Training. That's +30 str and +30 dex. If these were the only characters on your account, you also would've gained +5 att from BoE. Final Attack doesn't increase damage, it gives a chance for an additional hit.

Of ****ing course the second character is probably going to be a bit stronger. Bulma, all of the formulas have already been extracted and proven. You're going off of a very small amount of rather unreliable and unrecorded data and jumping to some wild conclusions in a thread that's asking for legitimate advice.

Also, some "special" servers buff mobs in specific channels. Please don't give advice based off of that

[FailFTW]

ITT: Bulma does an experiment without a control group.

[JeremiahLoh]

DEX also increases min damage as well as max damage (although obviously worse in max damage) is what I assume... Just asking since I have like a 7x dragon knight right now who is still 4 dex.

[Tesiqurasa]

No, the only number that actually increases is the max range. Min range is a set % based off of the max range. The only way to increase JUST min range is to upgrade mastery skills.